00:00:01 - Jenny GK
It's Tuesday.

00:00:02 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, it is. Let's do this. We are so glad you're here today. Today we are talking about what to say when the family talk at the gatherings turns towards politics and you just can't even. So hopefully this is coming out just in time for you to listen to it before Thanksgiving on the road trip. Thanksgiving over the river and through the woods to grandmother's house, you know, so let's do this.

00:00:32 - Jenny GK
All right, but before we do that, Caitlin, what are you doing in January? I want to discuss the state of our union.

00:00:43 - Caitlin Kindred
Oh, goodness. That's Jenny, my glowingly tricky warrior. I don't know. It's. It's a. You know, it's a generator that does this. I'm going to have to start doing it myself because some of these are just so random that I just can't even. So.

00:00:59 - Jenny GK
Okay, well, let me tell you, political pickup lines, there's a lot of them out there.

00:01:03 - Caitlin Kindred
Ew.

00:01:04 - Jenny GK
And some of them are not as middle of the road as. Let's discuss the state of our union.

00:01:11 - Caitlin Kindred
Okay, so again, as I mentioned, we're talking about what to say at family gatherings when the talk turns towards politics, and you are just not on the same page as your family. So today's sources are two pieces. One is this lovely Instagram account called Kindred minds Smart hearts. Kindred Minds, Smart Hearts. And it's run by a woman named Jackie Santian. And I love her. She's got really nice parenting tips and she also shares funny memes from parents, so check her out. And the other, the. The heavily cited Source Today is 11 things to say to your relative whose politics you hate by Angela Haught in Time magazine, which was a fabulous article. And the blog post for this episode is probably going to be pretty limited to go read that article. But just in case, you'll be able to find the video from Jackie in the blog post, and I would highly recommend that you read the article. It's very helpful. Before I get to that, I do want to acknowledge that this election was tough for a lot of people, myself included. And as a result, I took this article to heart. I firmly believe in doing what you can to protect your peace during this time. And so that's what Kindred of this is about. And as Jackie from Kindred Mind Smart Hearts reminded me, the holidays are temporary. It is okay to put up temporary barriers to protect yourself. It's okay to prioritize your mental health. She. She ends this video that I'm going to put in the blog post for this episode by Saying, you know, one of my friends, very wise sons, said, I think I've made enough memories with this person.

00:03:02 - Jenny GK
Oh, wow.

00:03:02 - Caitlin Kindred
If that's you, that's okay, right? Otherwise, just remember this is temporary. And, you know, ultimately the goal is to be able to move forward. So that's the hope here.

00:03:18 - Jenny GK
I will tell you, like, in the fall of 16, my dad started a conversation with, is it okay to talk about the election?

00:03:28 - Caitlin Kindred
Very interesting.

00:03:29 - Jenny GK
And I was like, wow, thank you.

00:03:30 - Caitlin Kindred
That's a very respectful way to go about this. Very respectful. And I love that. And we're going to get to that. The thing is, some people are saying, I'm not going to family get togethers, and I'm not here to tell you whether or not you can you do that. Again, as I said, I believe in protecting your peace. So if that means that you can't do it, then that's what that means. Okay. No, I get it. But it is really difficult to opt out of family get togethers. So here are some ways to protect your piece when you do have to attend. Okay. One is to make your intentions clear ahead of time by saying point blank, I won't be talking about politics today.

00:04:12 - Jenny GK
H. Perfect.

00:04:13 - Caitlin Kindred
Okay. You are emphasizing that you want to keep the focus on the kids or on the festivities or whatever, and you're going to ask straight up for a commitment to avoid talking about it. Okay. And chances are it's going to come up anyway. And when it does, you can say, okay, that's enough of that. Pass the gravy or whatever, opt out or remind everyone, hey, you know, we are not talking about that here today. And let it go. Okay? So that's the first one. I won't be talking about politics today. The second one is, if you're choosing empathy, can you tell me a story that helps me understand how you came to believe that? So here's what the article says. It says, asking for the story behind someone's beliefs can help us remember that our family members are complex and that their ideas come from a place that we might recognize, even if we don't necessarily subscribe to those beliefs. So the example given here is, maybe I disagree with my uncle deeply, deeply, deeply about guns. But his story about his sense of accomplishment and belonging after shooting his grandfather's rifle for the first time might help me remember Kindred of where he's coming from. Right, Right. Just as we want people to have empathy for how we feel, the best way to do that is to model empathy ourselves. Right. So there we go. This one. This one I Kindred of like. Because it feels a little. A little petty. I don't like it, but here we go. It's. If I had heard only what was in your newsfeed, I'm sure I'd think the same thing. But I've had different experiences in my life.

00:06:00 - Jenny GK
You could even just. If you wanted to dial it back a little bit, you can just say, I've had different experiences.

00:06:05 - Caitlin Kindred
You could. Yeah. You really could. So one of the sources cited in the Time article is someone named Neelan Parker, who is the executive director of Common Ground usa, which is an organization that's dedicated to building peace. She considers this a very gentle reminder that even the most compelling news stories don't necessarily apply equally to everyone's lives. Right. Because everyone has different experiences. Here's another one. Number four. What Kindred of compromise or solution might work for both sides? And maybe reframing it as how do we work to come up with a solution that's inclusive and that's helpful for most people? You're. You're disarming them by putting them on the same team. Right. You're saying that ultimately we have the same goal. Let's work together toward unity. Succumb to that. Okay. Number five. And this is one of Jenny's lines that she's used on me. I've heard her use it on her husband. It's. It tends to be a distracting line for her. For her, sometimes. But the line is, tell me more, or you can say more about that. Say more. Okay. Even though you might not want to hear more. So this might be a little counterintuitive. If you can convince someone that you actually do want to hear what they have to say, it. It disarms them. They stop ranting about it, and they start talking about it. And honestly, it's Kindred of. It's Kindred of calling them out on anything that's inflammatory. They'll chill a little bit, is the usual reaction. Okay. And maybe they'll actually listen to what you have to say also, because you've given them a chance.

00:07:50 - Jenny GK
If they're coming from a space where they feel like they don't have permission to share or they don't have the space to talk, and you give them open permission and say, no, I want to hear from you. Tell me more. It really does turn off that defiance.

00:08:07 - Caitlin Kindred
It does. Yeah.

00:08:08 - Jenny GK
And make it a conversation rather than a lecture.

00:08:12 - Caitlin Kindred
And they're not backed into a corner anymore. Right. Like that.

00:08:15 - Jenny GK
Right.

00:08:16 - Caitlin Kindred
One of the things that I've experienced in my conversations with people who disagree with me politically is that the reaction tends to be very defensive and backed into a corner. You know, lashing out and. And letting them have the space outside of that corner tends to be very helpful. And you just mentioned the word permission, and I'm going to come to that here. This is number six. Could I have permission to share my point of view? So this is part of a commonly used counseling technique called elicit. Provide elicit. And here's how it works. First, you find out what someone else's point of view is. Then you provide your own perspective, and then you ask the other person for their reaction. The reason this works is that the other person has actively said, yes, I do want to hear what you have to say. Right. But if they say no, then don't engage. You don't have to. You're not going to convince anyone. Why waste your breath if they don't want to hear what you have to say? But interestingly, it's very unlikely that someone's going to say, no, I don't want to hear what you have to say.

00:09:31 - Jenny GK
Unless it's delivered as. Can I have permission to share my point of view? It's.

00:09:37 - Caitlin Kindred
It. Delivery matters.

00:09:38 - Jenny GK
Can I talk about what I believe?

00:09:39 - Caitlin Kindred
Exactly. Delivery matters. Okay. Number seven. I'd like to have a chance to learn from each other because I respect you and I see the world differently. Now, I modified that line because the original line was I respect you, but see the world differently. And we've talked about this over and over again. Right. The word but often negates what you just said. I'm sorry, but is not an I'm sorry. Right. I love you, but is not an I love you. So if you change it to because I respect you and see the world differently, you've. You've created a situation where two things can exist at the same time. Right?

00:10:23 - Jenny GK
Right.

00:10:24 - Caitlin Kindred
So the point of that line is to let your family members know that while you might disagree, you still intend to ground your discussion in a place of respect, and you genuinely want to understand where they're coming from. So here's the caveat here. You have to mean that you can't just say, and I respect you and I see the world differently and then not actually show respect. So if you don't want to learn anything from them, then please don't say that line. Right, Right. Um, and another thing is that line tends to be a little bit disarming and. And can often do the backing into the corner thing. So you might decide that you'll continue that discussion in private. Might just be better. Okay, number eight. I like this one. Maybe we could revisit this conversation when we're both feeling more calm. H. If you're both on edge, walk away.

00:11:28 - Jenny GK
Walk away.

00:11:29 - Caitlin Kindred
And you can say, let's just take a break from this. Cheers. Like, yeah, you know, or call yourself.

00:11:37 - Jenny GK
Out and say, I can feel myself.

00:11:38 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, there you go. Put it on. You don't.

00:11:40 - Jenny GK
I think I need a break.

00:11:42 - Caitlin Kindred
You just don't want to say something you're going to regret later. So getting heated is just not the right. It's not the right time to have those conversations. Okay. This is my default when I'm feeling that I am losing control of a situation. Here we go. It's using humor. Okay. You can use humor anytime to diffuse any situation, but this one was, like, Kindred of silly. I mean, I'll vote for anyone who will boost the economy, cut my taxes, and prosecute people who remove their shoes on an airplane. Right. Change it. Add a pet peeve in there. You know, like, people are going to glom onto that humor part and they're going to be like, oh, my gosh, that's the worst. It's so gross. You know? Or like, I'll vote for anybody who, like, says it's not okay for people to put their long, gross hair over the edge of the seat and have it dangle into my, like, tray table. You know what I'm saying, Stuff like that. Or, you know, it's really helpful because.

00:12:42 - Jenny GK
You'Re turning the conversation and someone with conversational and social savvy will recognize that, and hopefully there's someone in your group who has that and will follow your lead.

00:13:00 - Caitlin Kindred
Absolutely. I think that people. And people, like, when everyone's in on the joke, you know, like, it. It tends to bring everybody back together. Like, I, you know, I've said this many times. Like, I firmly believe that there is a love language that is laughter. Shared laughter.

00:13:16 - Jenny GK
Yes.

00:13:16 - Caitlin Kindred
And I think that that's a. A pretty common one for a lot of people. So anything you can do to Kindred of diffuse is going to be helpful. Along those same lines, this one was, like, for, say, before an election, I'll just be glad when the campaign commercials are over with. But I am saying I'm just glad all the commercials and text messages have stopped.

00:13:39 - Jenny GK
Yes.

00:13:41 - Caitlin Kindred
You know, just everybody can agree with that statement because they were awful. Incessant. Gosh, awful. And when in doubt, you can turn to sports. Right? Right. Looks like the Cowboys probably won't beat the Eagles this year.

00:13:57 - Jenny GK
There you go.

00:13:58 - Caitlin Kindred
Way to go. Doc. Right. Like, you could turn it to something that's just not at all about politics. If you can. And if it has to be a random comment that you just throw out there to diffuse, that's fine. People are going to be way more engaged in a fun conversation that's a debate about sports than they are about a conversation about politics that isn't so fun.

00:14:25 - Jenny GK
And depending on your family, it might work to just say that same phrase every time things start to get off track.

00:14:33 - Caitlin Kindred
Right. Like, what's your go to?

00:14:34 - Jenny GK
Like, oh, how about those cowboys? Remember we were talking about the cowboys?

00:14:40 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah.

00:14:41 - Jenny GK
My family. That would totally resonate. They would all laugh and be like, okay.

00:14:45 - Caitlin Kindred
Right?

00:14:46 - Jenny GK
Yeah.

00:14:46 - Caitlin Kindred
And if, if you're not a sports family, then find something out. Find something else to do. Like, you know, wow. So how about that pie? Real good. Yeah. Excited. Let's. Let's have some pie. And everyone. It's. It'll be awkward enough that people will understand that you're trying to shift the conversation to something else. If you need to pull out like a fun conversation game and play at the table, it is okay to have backup support. We've talked about games before. There's some fun ones you can. There's one like the Would you rather questions. Print out a list of those and have them at the table. Right. Like, do something to make sure that you can steer the conversation in the right direction now. So here's we've got 11 of them. These are again in the Time article. The Time article is linked in our show notes and the blog post so you can find them in both places. I'm going to say, I'm going to end on this note that I thought was really important from the article, the Time article. Remember that if your family member won't let the election go and is just determined to pick a fight, you don't have to participate in that. Right. Some people just, they just have to keep talking about it. They're going to ruminate over it and over it and over and over. And this may even be someone who's. Who you agree with politically. And they just, they're so upset and they just can't let it go. So you don't have to participate. You can take control over what you can, which is yourself. That might mean that you just have to remove yourself from the situation, whatever that looks like. If it means a diffuse comment, if it means getting up and excusing yourself to go to the restroom, if it means grabbing a puzzle and going and sitting in the living room, whatever that has to be for you. It is okay, because again, this is. This whole thing is about protecting your peace in this particular situation, which is a hard one.

00:16:42 - Jenny GK
You could passive aggressively do the dishes nice and loud, bang those pots and pans in the sink.

00:16:48 - Caitlin Kindred
You can. Whatever you have to do. It's okay. Let's take a break. For links to resources mentioned in this episode, head on over to ckngkpodcast.com blog to find everything you need. And be sure to follow us on social media. Head over to your favorite social media network and find us at CKNGK podcast. And now back to the show. Oh, that was a heavy topic. I hope it helps someone. I hope, if you like, just pick one. Just pick one line and just glom onto it. It's okay. Repeat it over and over again.

00:17:26 - Jenny GK
Well, and if you have someone that is also not interested in having these.

00:17:33 - Caitlin Kindred
Conversations, that will help a lot, right?

00:17:36 - Jenny GK
It really helps to have that partner. I remember when I was home with a new baby, I had told my mom and my. And my husb. Husband, if I ask for a cup of tea, that means, please get this person out of my face.

00:17:49 - Caitlin Kindred
Oh, there you go. That's a good one.

00:17:53 - Jenny GK
And so I would say, okay, I think I'm gonna make a cup of tea. And they're like, oh, you know what? I think it's time for you guys to go. I'm sure the baby's hungry, you know, and they would, like, wrap up the conversation and get the visitor out. So knowing that you have someone that you could lean on, whether it be your partner or sibling that you do well with. And again, they don't have to agree with you politically. It's just someone that, you know, hey, I'm. I'm. I need to be rescued.

00:18:21 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, absolutely. There's. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that either. And another thing I would say is, do you remember when we talked to Kimball Lewis from Empowering Parents? One of the things he talked about was practice, right? Like, practice saying the line. So if you have to, you know, have someone walk you through, like, a potential scenario, a partner who knows your family and knows what their. What their trigger lines would be for you. You're. It's okay to look in the mirror. Practice. It's okay to say it with a partner. Like, hey, we're not talking about this. You know, just get confident saying, he.

00:18:57 - Jenny GK
Is the one who said, you do not have to attend every fight. You've been invited.

00:19:00 - Caitlin Kindred
You sure don't. Whatever you have to do. All right, let's Talk about obsessions.

00:19:06 - Jenny GK
Cuz let me tell you what I'm obsessed with.

00:19:08 - Caitlin Kindred
Let's hear it.

00:19:09 - Jenny GK
The Belafonte.

00:19:12 - Caitlin Kindred
What?

00:19:12 - Jenny GK
The Belafonte is the name of my brand new Subaru.

00:19:15 - Caitlin Kindred
Oh, okay.

00:19:19 - Jenny GK
So she's just lovely. She's blue wilderness, which is what I've always. The plants are. The seeds are made of plants.

00:19:30 - Caitlin Kindred
She sits on a bed of algae, and yes, it smells really bad in there. Just kidding.

00:19:39 - Jenny GK
We got her the same day that Abby did her checkout dive for scuba and in the Life Aquatic with Steve Zizou, which, you know is a scuba dive.

00:19:52 - Caitlin Kindred
One of your favorites, too.

00:19:53 - Jenny GK
Yeah, one of my favorites. The boat is called the Belafonte and it is blue. So we decided to name our car the Belafonte.

00:20:02 - Caitlin Kindred
I like it. And it's a girl, too. Yes.

00:20:05 - Jenny GK
It has a sunroof.

00:20:06 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, she does. It's a girl, right? She.

00:20:09 - Jenny GK
Okay, yeah, she.

00:20:10 - Caitlin Kindred
I don't want cars without sunroofs anymore. I love them. It's like one of my things.

00:20:15 - Jenny GK
I'm obsessed.

00:20:16 - Caitlin Kindred
I. When my first car was a convertible, it was a 1974 5.5MGB, which is a little British baby. She was precious. I had her for like two months. And then in Colorado, it doesn't make sense to drive a car that's that low to the ground because you can't drive it in the snow. So we traded it in, and my next car, we sold it to a friend who collected vintage cars. And then my next car had a sunroof, and I drove that car for like 12 years. I will never go back to a car that doesn't have a sunroof if it doesn't have one. I don't want it. I don't want it.

00:20:51 - Jenny GK
It's my first sunroof.

00:20:53 - Caitlin Kindred
I love it.

00:20:53 - Jenny GK
I love it so much.

00:20:54 - Caitlin Kindred
Even if you just crack it a little bit. Just that fresh. Oh, my God, I love it.

00:20:59 - Jenny GK
And it has a turbo engine, which I never thought I would be like this, but I'm like, I love the turbo engine.

00:21:04 - Caitlin Kindred
Does it make the noise? Like, do you get all excited because you can hear it setting up, or. No, it goes so fast. Ooh, it goes so fast. That'd be bad for my lead foot.

00:21:15 - Jenny GK
Oh, man, I love it so much. I'm like, oh, I'll, like, race someone off the line. Like, oh, I got up to 30 miles an hour, way faster than you like.

00:21:23 - Caitlin Kindred
And then you both stop at the same red light, and that person's like, way to go, friend. You had to go fast. And now we're Both in the same light. Good job. This is not related only except the name, but when. When Sam was little, he had a little blue elephant that stayed in the car all the time, and his name was Harry Elephante.

00:21:46 - Jenny GK
Oh. Love it. Love it.

00:21:49 - Caitlin Kindred
Because of.

00:21:50 - Jenny GK
Yeah.

00:21:50 - Caitlin Kindred
Anyway, my current obsession right now is getting decorated for Christmas. And that might seem early to y'all because it's, you know, not Thanksgiving. It. But you and I are going on a cruise over Thanksgiving, and we always. Our family always decorates the day after Thanksgiving, and we won't be here, and. I know.

00:22:12 - Jenny GK
Okay, so Abby asked if we could decorate before we got. I'm like, oh, that's just one more thing. I'm like, I know.

00:22:17 - Caitlin Kindred
And it's. Let me tell you, it is stressing me out. I did do the Christmas tree last year, and it took me four days last year because I had to. The lights kept going out. Now, I did the Christmas tree yesterday in, like, three hours, and. And there were plenty of lights that were going out, but this time, for whatever reason, when I would replace the bulb, it would actually work. Oh. And I got smart and stopped trying to, like, I would replace the bulb, see if it worked. If it didn't work, then I just tossed the bulb in the recycling. Like, I didn't try to hang on to it and then keep testing it in other things, like, just let it go like, it's a Christmas light bulb.

00:22:58 - Jenny GK
It's.

00:22:59 - Caitlin Kindred
They come. You get extras in every time you buy lights. Like, just let it go. I have, like, probably 30 little baby light bulbs that I can just test it. Like. So anyway, the tree is still on this morning, which is amazing because last year, it would last about two hours, and then. Then I would have to go through. I think I had to take off all the lights maybe three times last year. So anyway, the rest of the Christmas Day course.

00:23:23 - Jenny GK
Going up, not going. It is 12ft tall, and it is not going up before.

00:23:27 - Caitlin Kindred
Oh, yeah. You guys have a big one. Ours is nine feet. So, like, we can. Yeah. And I also.

00:23:32 - Jenny GK
It requires climbing the stairs.

00:23:34 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's a lot. I will say this. I don't know how you do your Christmas lights. I'm a. I am a. I don't just, like, gently lay the lights on the branches. Like, that is not for me. I can't do that. I have to. I have to be very deliberate and intentional about how I do them. I do. The trunk is all white so that it has what my mom and I respectfully call the inner glow. We revel in the inner glow of the tree. And then the outside lights are color. But I used to wrap them around each layer going up and down. Um, like I would start at the bottom and then go all the way around the tree. Kindred of like a spiral like ice cream cone sort of thing. Um, I stopped doing that and now I go up and down. So I'll go all the way up and all the way down and all the way and like Kindred of go back and forth. It makes the lights go on faster. It's more efficient with the amount of lights that you have and it's easier to take them off.

00:24:37 - Jenny GK
So we have this thing called a pre lit.

00:24:40 - Caitlin Kindred
I know they don't have enough lights on them for me. If I had a pre lit tree, I would still put more lights on it because I. My favorite thing ever is when there's no lights on in the house except for the Christmas tree and it lights up the whole stinking room. Like that's my favorite thing.

00:24:56 - Jenny GK
Yeah, no, we don't.

00:24:57 - Caitlin Kindred
No more lights. That's why I don't do pre lit trees. Because I want. Yeah, that's. It's just me. I need more lights anyway. That's my obsession is decorating for Christmas.

00:25:09 - Jenny GK
Okay, here's my gem. I am reading a book called the Disappearing Spoon.

00:25:13 - Caitlin Kindred
Okay.

00:25:14 - Jenny GK
It is about the periodic table. It's little vignettes about how the periodic table was put together and then stories about each of the elements.

00:25:25 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah.

00:25:27 - Jenny GK
And it is riveting.

00:25:30 - Caitlin Kindred
Sounds boring.

00:25:32 - Jenny GK
Well, that's it. Every person that I've read it around is like, doesn't that make you want to fall asleep? Isn't that boring? And I'm like, no, it's so good.

00:25:41 - Caitlin Kindred
I have gotten into one science book and it was the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. But otherwise, I mean, I can't. I haven't gotten into. But okay. I mean, disappearing spoon, I don't get it.

00:25:52 - Jenny GK
But so my gem has happened multiple times.

00:25:54 - Caitlin Kindred
So people are saying, aren't you bored out of your.

00:25:55 - Jenny GK
Don't you think that book is boring? And I have to say no, it's amazing.

00:26:00 - Caitlin Kindred
Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, speaking of amazing, I'm going to have a little personal celebration. And this is more personal than I think we usually get. But I'm just going to say it. I am somebody who at my 40 year old mammogram, yay for being 40. There's just a little cluster of something that's going on. Right. And I had to have a follow up diagnostic mammogram. And then they said, okay, this looks okay for now, but we're concerned. I want you to come back in six months. So I had my six month follow up the other day and everything looks clean right now. So it's not, it's not perfect. It that that little cluster of stuff is still there, but it hasn't changed. But they can watch it and they're just watching it and so that's really good that it hasn't changed in six months. And I'm celebrating that. And if you haven't already, I know we passed breast cancer awareness month, but frankly every month should be that month. So check yourself if you haven't already. And if you're over 40 and you haven't booked your first mammogram, this is your reminder to please go do that.

00:27:02 - Jenny GK
Also, it's not so bad.

00:27:04 - Caitlin Kindred
It used to be worse. I had a mammogram when I was 28 for what I would consider to be a similar issue. Um, that one really hurt. I don't know if I just wasn't know, I didn't know what to expect or I think the technology has really improved, frankly, where they don't have to do what they've had to do. But it is Kindred of wild to see the amount of pressure they put on you. Like they'll show you in pounds, like how, how heavy the pressure is on yourself. Um, but it does. I always just take a couple of Motrin before I go and then go in and I really don't have an issue. It doesn't hurt.

00:27:38 - Jenny GK
And I will tell you, the clinic I went to was also super.

00:27:41 - Caitlin Kindred
Yes, it doesn't take very long.

00:27:42 - Jenny GK
My appointment meant something. I got there at the time, checked in and was taken right back. And it, the whole squish is like 10 minutes.

00:27:52 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, it's not bad. It's really not bad at all.

00:27:55 - Jenny GK
So if you haven't done it because it's producing anxiety for you, does it cause pain? Absolutely. But is it temporary? Very hard.

00:28:04 - Caitlin Kindred
And the pain is so temporary.

00:28:05 - Jenny GK
And let me tell you this, I just got an immunization and it hurt when I got it. Cuz it's a needle and now my arm is still sore.

00:28:14 - Caitlin Kindred
That's not how a mammogram did not have residual soreness.

00:28:17 - Jenny GK
After the mammogram, after I was dressed again, I was fine.

00:28:21 - Caitlin Kindred
Yeah, it's really, it's super easy. I would just highly recommend going do it. Just go get it done.

00:28:27 - Jenny GK
Get it done.

00:28:28 - Caitlin Kindred
All right.

00:28:28 - Jenny GK
Your insurance covers it.

00:28:29 - Caitlin Kindred
It's free. Yep. And if it's a diagnostic one, they'll tell you the results before you walk out the door. So you don't have to go home and feel like you're in agony just waiting for information. So that's really nice. That's what happened with me. So it's nice.

00:28:45 - Jenny GK
Okay. So cheers to clean mammogram, make good.

00:28:49 - Caitlin Kindred
Choices, and protect your peace. You can do this. And Happy Thanksgiving.

00:28:53 - Jenny GK
Happy Thanksgiving. Bye.