Things You Should Know about NASA’s (Wo)Manned Moon Mission
Have you heard the myths about the Artemis program, NASA's initiative for permanent lunar presence? There are plenty of misconceptions, from exploring the moon's resources to living off the grid. But don't worry, Jenny GK is here to share the truth!
We might have a while to go for world peace, but it looks like we might have found moon peace. —Jenny GK
In this episode, we:
History in the Making
Caitlin and Jenny discuss the impact of the Artemis program on diversity and inclusion, focusing on the groundbreaking involvement of women and people of color in these missions. They mention Christina Hammock Koch, the first woman to be part of a lunar mission, and Victor Glover, the first person of color to participate in such a mission, and Jeremy Hansen, the first Canadian, applauding NASA's commitment to inclusivity. During their conversation, Jenny stresses the significance of including women and people of color in these momentous missions, respecting the value of diverse perspectives and abilities in space exploration. Jenny reflects on the impact these pioneering astronauts will have on future generations, inspiring countless people to reach for the stars.
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00:00:00 - Jenny GK It's Tuesday. Tuesday.
00:00:03 - Caitlin Kindred We're so glad you're here.
00:00:05 - Jenny GK Welcome to CK and GK. Today we are going to talk about NASA's moon program called Artemis.
00:00:15 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah. You are kind of a space nerd. Yeah.
00:00:17 - Jenny GK Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:00:18 - Caitlin Kindred Guys, we're talking about, like this is how big of a nerd Jenny is. Ready? She threw a moon landing anniversary.
00:00:26 - Jenny GK True story. True story.
00:00:28 - Caitlin Kindred And when I showed up at her house, she was dressed like it was 1969. Like it was 1969, right? It was amazing.
00:00:36 - Jenny GK I even made a jello mold.
00:00:37 - Caitlin Kindred So was everyone else. Yeah, you did. Yeah, it was amazing.
00:00:42 - Jenny GK The whole concept of the party was reenacting the moon landing on the 50th anniversary. So we all sat around the TV and watched the Walter Cronkite broadcast as if it was the first time we all watched it. It was pretty cool. All right, so speaking of space, with me today is Caitlin. We could call her the Andromeda Galaxy because she's out of this world.
00:01:06 - Caitlin Kindred Hey, that, like, the TV show, remember?
00:01:09 - Caitlin Kindred We did yes.
00:01:10 - Jenny GK And I did research on it after you brought it up, because I was like, Wait, I don't know what this is. And then I found out what it was.
00:01:15 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah. Wasn't it Tom Sellick as the dad?
00:01:18 - Jenny GK I don't know if I did I didn't do that much research.
00:01:21 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, I think he was the voice of the dad. I think it was Tom Selik. Anyway, you are my opalescent tree shark. My DSP friend Jenny.
00:01:30 - Jenny GK I don't even know. Is that like a compliment tree shark.
00:01:36 - Caitlin Kindred Leslie? Nope. Only means things to be compliments.
00:01:39 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:01:39 - Caitlin Kindred So, yes, it's a compliment.
00:01:41 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:01:43 - Caitlin Kindred Okay, so I want to really quick give a shout out to a couple of indie shows that are showing us some pretty hardcore love, and I'm really here for it. So there is a show called 30 Dirty and Dying, and I love their Instagram account. They're really funny, and they show us a whole lot of love. So check out it's the number 30 Dirty and Dying, all written out in Instagram. Yeah, they're really fun. And then the other one is twisted and uncorked. They featured our promo in their episode 106, the Children of Florida Lee Colts. I know, right? And I love how our show gets interjected into a cult episode.
00:02:29 - Jenny GK I have been in a cult. You've heard me talk about it on the show before. Oh, the cult of natural path meditation. Cult? Yeah.
00:02:39 - Caitlin Kindred They tried to recruit.
00:02:41 - Jenny GK I did stop when I realized it was a cold, and I was able to get out, but it did involve me sitting in the dark across from the person that they called, quote, unquote, the master for about an hour while he sent me messages with his brain. The whole time, I'm wondering, am I getting to get out of here alive?
00:02:59 - Caitlin Kindred Right? He's sending me a message. The message is, Get out right now. I got to go. So that's going to be a great episode that we're featured in. I haven't listened to the whole thing, I just started it, so I'm excited to get through the rest of it. And we're going to have a twisted and uncorked promo in this episode as well, so stay tuned for that.
00:03:20 - Jenny GK So it's been a while since we sat down and talked, so let's catch up. It's time for circle time. Everyone sit on the rug, crisscross applesauce, and we'll share some stories. The first one I am going to tell you is kind of gross, but also amazing. So at my school, we really pride ourselves on intellectual curiosity, this idea that it's okay to just ask questions and learn about something just for the sake of learning. And every morning we start the day with a 25 minutes conversation that we call campfire. And sometimes it's a formal presentation, sometimes it's a question that we just all want to talk about together. But this week we had a visit from Dr. Jenna Moore, who is the curator of analytes at the Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity and Change in Hamburg. Yes, I did just read her title off a piece of paper because there's no way I would remember it.
00:04:19 - Caitlin Kindred Also, I don't think I understand half the words that you just said. Say that one word.
00:04:25 - Jenny GK No, what I'm going to tell you instead is she is a worm scientist.
00:04:30 - Caitlin Kindred Okay, that's better, because the ADHD in me was like, I'm listening, but also not processing and help. Okay, so she's a worm worm scientist.
00:04:39 - Jenny GK And she travels all over the world scuba diving and turning over rocks and digging in sand to find worms. I would never choose to learn about worms, but now I'm so intrigued and I'm so interested. There's like, 14,000 species of named worms, but there's so many more that we don't even know what we don't know. They feed themselves in such interesting ways. One we learned about makes a mucous net and, like, catches, and then it swallows the net. There's one that's called spaghetti worm that has these little tentacles that come it was a fabulous presentation and I will leave you with this. She showed us a worm that was 9ft long dick.
00:05:30 - Caitlin Kindred No, that's so gross. I'm going back to my middle school worm dissection, right? And how melly that was. And now I'm just taking I have, like, a giant nine foot earthworm in my head right now, and I know that's not what it is, but oh, my.
00:05:54 - Caitlin Kindred Sick.
00:05:54 - Jenny GK So my current obsession right now is worms.
00:06:00 - Caitlin Kindred Not even the worm scientists, but the worm.
00:06:02 - Jenny GK Right? That's your sound bite for the episode.
00:06:05 - Caitlin Kindred Gross obsession right now is worms. Nailed it. Okay, well, mine's not gross.
00:06:18 - Jenny GK So I already win. Because mine's not because mine's not earth.
00:06:22 - Caitlin Kindred Look at our new stickers.
00:06:23 - Jenny GK Aren't they so cute?
00:06:26 - Caitlin Kindred We have new my gosh, they're new and they're so precious. They have our updated logo on them. They're circles. They're just super precious, and they're not like, really big. You know what I mean? So anyway, I'm obsessed. I love them, and I sent some to your house, so they should be arriving there today.
00:06:47 - Jenny GK I'm so excited. Thank you. All right, so next is my favorite.
00:06:52 - Caitlin Kindred Part of the show.
00:06:54 - Jenny GK It's the gem of the week. And this is your chance to either laugh alongside me or laugh at me today. I think that this is humorous to everyone, but particularly those, like our family that have multicultural families.
00:07:13 - Caitlin Kindred Okay?
00:07:13 - Jenny GK So Abby, my eleven year old, was telling me that during her sewing class one day, they were debating the best tacos.
00:07:23 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:07:24 - Jenny GK And I naturally thought that they were talking about where the best tacos are from.
00:07:29 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:07:29 - Jenny GK But they were actually talking about what is the best filling for a taco.
00:07:33 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:07:33 - Caitlin Kindred That's where my mind went, what's the best filling? Okay.
00:07:36 - Jenny GK And I asked her, and I was like, well, what is your favorite taco? What is the best taco? And she says, Yom Kippur.
00:07:47 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:07:47 - Jenny GK Yom Kippur is the day of atonement, and it's a fasting day in the Jewish faith. And I just looked at her and I was like, what? She goes, well, it sounds like that. I said, oh, al, Pastor.
00:08:06 - Caitlin Kindred Can you even imagine? Her teacher was probably like, what? I'm sorry, what this conversation? Oh, my gosh. Yom, Kapoor. Tacos. Stop it right now, Miss Abigail.
00:08:25 - Jenny GK Al Pastor is what she meant. Which is like a roast pork, right? But yeah, there we go.
00:08:32 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, my gosh.
00:08:33 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:08:33 - Caitlin Kindred Well, I don't know how else to launch into this story because it's so random. I work with a small marketing firm, and there's not a ton of employees. But many of the employees, the majority of us, are former educators, and all of us, with the exception of my managing partner, are women. People who identify as women.
00:08:59 - Jenny GK You told us about this when you were talking about your manicure one time.
00:09:02 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:09:03 - Caitlin Kindred Now, I have to say, this man is a gem of a human. Right. Like, I work for a gem of a human. I work with gems of humans. They're just amazing people. And I'm very lucky that I landed in this spot. And my boss has daughters and is married to a woman who works with other women, helping them in times of crisis. Sometimes on our Slack channel, the conversation, or just when we're having meetings, the conversation turns towards, inevitably, women. Things like fingernails and hair and things that stereotypical women. Conversations might be about being members of.
00:09:41 - Jenny GK The Senate and sitting on the Supreme Court, the typical female things.
00:09:45 - Caitlin Kindred Right. Being on the Artemis crew, all of those things.
00:09:48 - Caitlin Kindred Yes. Right.
00:09:49 - Caitlin Kindred Exactly. So at one point, something happened and the conversation turned towards menstruation, which is a word that I really hate. But at some point, it turned towards that, and it was like this. It was like somebody's not feeling good or whatever, and my boss chimes in with, I'm good to talk periods, guys. Don't worry about me. But not sarcastically. He's like, no, it's fine. I don't care. And I was just like, I need more humans like this. Like, more more men like this in the world.
00:10:24 - Jenny GK Fourth of my life. So let's just go ahead and get.
00:10:27 - Caitlin Kindred It out there, right? This is why women would make a better serial killers, because we know how to get blood out of clothing, right? So let's be clear, right? This is a real thing, but it was just really it was hysterical. I laughed about it for a solid five minutes.
00:10:46 - Jenny GK Like, I'm up.
00:10:46 - Caitlin Kindred Good talk period, guys. But it was also just, like, so refreshing. It just made me happy. He's a gem of a human, so.
00:10:52 - Caitlin Kindred That'S my gem of the week.
00:10:53 - Jenny GK That's awesome. That's so great.
00:10:56 - Caitlin Kindred All right, like Caitlin said, we've got.
00:10:58 - Jenny GK A promo coming up for our friends at Twisted and Uncorked, and we'll be right back.
00:11:04 - Caitlin Kindred We're back.
00:11:05 - Jenny GK Okay, so like you said, I love space, but particularly, I like space history, and I really like the Apollo program.
00:11:15 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:11:15 - Caitlin Kindred How many times have you watched Apollo 13?
00:11:18 - Jenny GK Oh, my gosh. I actually just watched it last weekend.
00:11:20 - Caitlin Kindred I think Sam was little, so I think we left before your space party. Really? Like moon landing party, not space party. Moon landing party really got later into the evening. But did you put it on at.
00:11:32 - Caitlin Kindred The end of that?
00:11:33 - Jenny GK No, we had the documentary running on the upstairs. So if people needed a quiet space, there was a spot up there. That's right. By the end of the evening, adults were in the moon bounce. That's where that went.
00:11:49 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:11:51 - Caitlin Kindred Amazing.
00:11:53 - Jenny GK And my friend's Sweet sweet at that point, I think she was a third grader, was like, can we cut into the jello mold?
00:12:01 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:12:01 - Jenny GK You want to eat this? Sure.
00:12:03 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:12:04 - Jenny GK You don't even need to slice it. Just get a spoon. You are the only person who wants to eat this. I am not an expert. I am not a NASA scientist. I am not a historian. I am just someone who thinks that space travel is really interesting. So this is, like, baseline knowledge here, and it might be wrong. I mean, how many times have I been wrong on the show?
00:12:28 - Caitlin Kindred Fact, Jason?
00:12:30 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:12:33 - Jenny GK Okay, so I said that this was five things that you need to know about Artemis.
00:12:40 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:12:41 - Jenny GK So the first one is that the name has a special meaning. Okay, so Artemis was the Greek goddess of the moon.
00:12:51 - Jenny GK Yes, she was.
00:12:53 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:12:54 - Jenny GK She's also the twin sister of Apollo. So the Apollo program sent a bunch of guys to the moon. Now, in Artemis, we're going to see also men but women on the moon.
00:13:05 - Jenny GK Yay.
00:13:06 - Caitlin Kindred Also, I'm thinking of Roman history, Roman mythology, where her name is Diana. But they kept Apollo's name the same. Right. Because apparently he gets to keep his name, right?
00:13:19 - Jenny GK Hey, it's totally fine. Why do you think I picked Diana for Abigail? Hey, I mean, obviously I wanted to name her after Princess died, right? But when I found out that she was also the goddess of the Moon, I was done. I was like, check. This is the perfect name.
00:13:35 - Caitlin Kindred Right?
00:13:36 - Jenny GK Okay, so during the Apollo program, NASA sent twelve men to walk on the moon. 24 actually entered its orbit.
00:13:45 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:13:47 - Jenny GK Now, in the Artemis program, another name that's special is the spacecraft is called Orion.
00:13:55 - Caitlin Kindred Like the constellation?
00:13:57 - Jenny GK Like the constellation.
00:13:58 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:13:59 - Jenny GK It's one of the most recognizable constellations in the sky. If you've seen Men in Black, you know that the galaxy is on Orion's Belt. You've seen men in black? Stop.
00:14:14 - Caitlin Kindred Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones told me about space, guys. I know all that there is to know. Okay, we're good. Thanks.
00:14:22 - Jenny GK Spoiler alert. It was actually the cat, not the cat.
00:14:24 - Caitlin Kindred Spoiler. Yeah, I was going to say yeah.
00:14:26 - Jenny GK But I feel like I could spoil a movie that came out in the year, starting with a one.
00:14:35 - Caitlin Kindred Here Come.
00:14:36 - Jenny GK The man in Black.
00:14:37 - Jenny GK Yeah, but Orion was the hunting partner of Artemis.
00:14:45 - Caitlin Kindred Nice, right?
00:14:48 - Jenny GK I mean, RAL, Galaxy Defender.
00:14:57 - Caitlin Kindred Somewhere my.
00:14:58 - Jenny GK Sister is like, you are still singing the song.
00:15:01 - Caitlin Kindred Such a good song. He was so good in 1998.
00:15:08 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:15:09 - Jenny GK All right, so second fact, it has been in the works for almost two decades.
00:15:15 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, really? I didn't know that.
00:15:16 - Caitlin Kindred See, that's it.
00:15:17 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:15:18 - Jenny GK In 2005, the NASA Authorization Act kicked off what we called the Constellation Program, and it had three parts earth, Moon, Mars. The Earth portion was sustaining the International Space Station, which technically isn't on Earth, but orbit. Right. Just in case you were, like, thinking that I'm stupid and I don't know that the space station is not part of our plan. Yeah.
00:15:48 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:15:49 - Jenny GK The Moon portion of Constellation was intended to be a permanent launching point for us to be able to land on an asteroid and then eventually Mars.
00:15:59 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:16:00 - Jenny GK But in 2010, 2011, the program was canceled because of budget concerns. Now, interestingly enough, the Orion spacecraft was actually developed for the Constellation program.
00:16:13 - Caitlin Kindred So they're just repurposing.
00:16:15 - Jenny GK But NASA, don't worry, they have done some updates. So your astronauts are safe. You're not using a 20,000 year old spacecraft.
00:16:26 - Jenny GK Oh, no.
00:16:29 - Jenny GK This was built in 2005. Technology hasn't really changed since then. Right. It's fine.
00:16:33 - Caitlin Kindred Not even a little bit.
00:16:35 - Jenny GK Just blow the dust off. It'll be fine.
00:16:37 - Caitlin Kindred Right. As she taps her Apple watch.
00:16:40 - Caitlin Kindred Right. Okay.
00:16:42 - Jenny GK First fact was the Name has a special meeting.
00:16:45 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:16:45 - Jenny GK Your second fact was that it's been in the works for almost two decades. Your third fact is that its goals are very lofty, but also exciting. Oh, okay. So the ultimate goal of the Artemis program is to build a permanent station on the Moon what? That we can then use for human travel to mars.
00:17:03 - Caitlin Kindred What?
00:17:05 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:17:05 - Jenny GK So there's a lot of research and development that still needs to happen throughout the program, but Artemis One already displayed a lot of success for us. Artemis One was unmanned, but it holds the record for the farthest traveling spacecraft designed for humans.
00:17:22 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, really?
00:17:24 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:17:24 - Jenny GK And it contained what they called moonikins, which are mannequins. Going to the moon.
00:17:33 - Caitlin Kindred Yes.
00:17:35 - Caitlin Kindred I am here for a cheesy name.
00:17:37 - Jenny GK I love it.
00:17:38 - Jenny GK Moonikins.
00:17:39 - Caitlin Kindred Moonikins.
00:17:40 - Jenny GK And these moonikens wore the same space suits that the Artemis Two and Three astronauts will wear. And so they were able to test, like, what kind of things those astronauts are going to feel or what's going to happen.
00:17:53 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:17:54 - Caitlin Kindred How are they going to test what they're going to feel? Because they're moonkins and they can't feel things.
00:17:58 - Jenny GK No, more like conditions in the cabin.
00:18:01 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:18:03 - Jenny GK Not like their feelings at this point. The moon.
00:18:08 - Caitlin Kindred Right. Yeah.
00:18:10 - Caitlin Kindred She's feeling depressed. Can we just get her, like, a.
00:18:12 - Jenny GK Piece of chocolate or something? She'll be okay in a little while.
00:18:15 - Caitlin Kindred Okay.
00:18:16 - Jenny GK So Artemis One had made the record for farthest traveling made for human spacecraft before. That was Apollo 13, because you remember, in order for them to get home safely, they had to slingshot around the dark side of the moon, and they kind of went further out into space and came back in. Okay. Now, Artemis One actually traveled into the gravitational pole of the moon, then back out of it into deep space.
00:18:47 - Caitlin Kindred What?
00:18:48 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:18:49 - Jenny GK So it went beyond the moon's gravitational pull.
00:18:53 - Caitlin Kindred That's got to be pretty strong, like, engines on that thing to be able to push itself out. That's pretty cool.
00:19:01 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:19:02 - Jenny GK Isn't that nuts?
00:19:03 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah. Okay.
00:19:04 - Jenny GK All right, so the next one is a little punny, but it's her story in the making.
00:19:10 - Caitlin Kindred Her story?
00:19:11 - Caitlin Kindred Yes. Okay.
00:19:12 - Jenny GK So the Artemis Two crew includes the first woman in the vicinity of the moon.
00:19:19 - Jenny GK Oh, my goodness.
00:19:22 - Jenny GK Her name is Christina Hammock.
00:19:24 - Caitlin Kindred Coke.
00:19:25 - Jenny GK K-O-C-H-K-O-C-H coke.
00:19:29 - Caitlin Kindred Coke. We're going to go coke.
00:19:31 - Jenny GK And she is making her second flight into space on the Artemis Two mission. Cool. She was a flight engineer on the space station in Expedition 59, 60, and 61. And she set a record for the longest single spaceflight by a woman by being in space for 328 days.
00:19:53 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, my goodness.
00:19:54 - Jenny GK And she was in the first all female spacewalks.
00:19:57 - Jenny GK Cool.
00:19:59 - Caitlin Kindred This woman is a baddie for sure, right?
00:20:02 - Jenny GK She is a baddie. To call back to another episode. Now, NASA has also committed that during the Artemis missions, the ones that land on the moon, a woman and a person of color will walk on the moon.
00:20:14 - Jenny GK Yay.
00:20:16 - Caitlin Kindred Way to go. That's amazing.
00:20:18 - Jenny GK Okay, so other people that are making history with Artemis are Victor Glover, who's the first person of color to be on a lunar mission, and Jeremy Hansen, who's the first Canadian. Yay. And this leads me to my fifth Artemis point. It is not just an American program. The Artemis program is led by NASA. But there's three partner agencies. The European Space Agency, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, and the Canadian Space Agency. We might have a while to go for world peace, but it looks like we might have found moon peace.
00:20:56 - Caitlin Kindred Moon peace.
00:20:57 - Jenny GK Yay.
00:20:59 - Caitlin Kindred That's a good one. Also, I'm seeing the abbreviation for the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency. And JAXA is cool looking. That looks super cool. I could see that looking amazing on some logos, right? Yeah, JAXA very cool. Well, that's really all interesting stuff. Thank you so much for teaching me all that because I had no idea my knowledge of space travel is from Apollo 13 and watching The Martian on repeat, which is also, if you haven't watched The Martian, it's so good. Have you seen that movie?
00:21:35 - Jenny GK I also have watched Marvin the Martian cartoons, so I kind of feel like I have more space knowledge than the average bear.
00:21:42 - Caitlin Kindred Okay. Yogi, that's not what we're talking about here. The Martian with Matt Damon. That movie.
00:21:49 - Jenny GK Yes, it's so what about the one that had Tim Allen Galaxy Quest?
00:21:55 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, I was like that's. Buzz Lightyear.
00:21:57 - Caitlin Kindred You.
00:22:01 - Caitlin Kindred Right. On a secret mission to uncharted space. Let's go. I'm off to fight the evil story.
00:22:08 - Jenny GK It's not actually about space, right?
00:22:11 - Caitlin Kindred That's about being in someone's car and backyard. Yes.
00:22:16 - Jenny GK Oh, my gosh.
00:22:17 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:22:18 - Jenny GK So the Artemis program is really interesting. We're going to watch it unfold over the next few years. Someone's going to be on the moon pretty soon.
00:22:26 - Caitlin Kindred Super cool. So exciting for them and for us as we get to watch and learn about it. I love it.
00:22:33 - Jenny GK All right, so congrats to those who've been named to the group. And I don't even know what to say. Just make good choices.
00:22:41 - Caitlin Kindred Maybe something like if we want to learn more, we can put some links to some information about where you can go to read up and get even more spacefax.
00:22:51 - Jenny GK There's lots of spacefax.
00:22:54 - Caitlin Kindred So many space facts that could be.
00:22:57 - Jenny GK The name of this episode. So many spacefax. NASA has a really cool website. JPL, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is part of NASA, also has a really great website. There's lots of teaching tools on there. Not just like, campy classroom lessons, but things for people who are just interested in space travel. One of my favorite things in the NASA catalog is the Voyager spacecrafts.
00:23:28 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, okay.
00:23:29 - Jenny GK And Voyager was a pair of probes sent out with the intention of leaving the solar system.
00:23:38 - Caitlin Kindred Whoa.
00:23:39 - Jenny GK And they traveled throughout our solar system and sent back really great pictures, but because the intent was for them to live on outside of our solar system, carl Sagan put what he called the Golden Records on each one. And this was an LP kind of style album that had sounds from Earth, music from Earth.
00:24:06 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, my God.
00:24:06 - Jenny GK Readings in 55 world languages and images that could be used as a map as to where our solar system was in relation to different pulsars in the galaxy.
00:24:17 - Caitlin Kindred Super cool.
00:24:20 - Caitlin Kindred Yeah.
00:24:20 - Caitlin Kindred Oh, my gosh. Okay, well, there's lots to go learn about then. So you're saying make good choices? I'm going to say go on a secret mission to uncharted space. Let's go. Bye.